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Subject: Why haven't Americans learned how to eat French Fries?
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From: rory_ca2[at]yahoo.com (Rory)
Date: 17 Sep 2003 11:54:56 -0700
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Normally, Americans catch on quick, but when it comes to French Fries
they just don't get it. Fries go with vinegar, the white kind at a
minimum and preferably malt, or, alternatively, with mayonnaise.  Why
is it that Americans, who are normally a progressive and curious
people, are in this case so obsterperous and backward?

Of course, I reject the presumption of certain of my American cousins
who claim that one of their own invented French Fries out of thin air,
and who might therefore claim that the custom of serving fries with
vinegar or mayonnaise is culinarily corrupt.  Karen Hess, in her
article on the history of French Fries in Petits Propos Culinaires,
has removed any doubt about this question.  Americans who insist not
only on the right to unilaterally change the name of French Fries,
just because they are miffed at M. Chirac, but who also claim
paternity, are invited to read her authoritative words, kindly
reproduced by Petits Propos Culinaires on its website: 
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/lane/kal69/ppc68.htm#French%20fries

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From: travis 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:03:21 -0400
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Rory left Mt Vesuvius in a state of jealous awe as he began spewing 
from the mouth thusly:

>Normally, Americans catch on quick, but when it comes to French Fries
>they just don't get it. Fries go with vinegar, the white kind at a
>minimum and preferably malt, or, alternatively, with mayonnaise.  Why
>is it that Americans, who are normally a progressive and curious
>people, are in this case so obsterperous and backward?
>

I'm not sure what you're talking about.  I'm American and I love malt
vinegar on my fries, and would prefer mayonnaise on them over ketchup
any day of the week.  I guess you must not know what you're talking
about.  :-)

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From: penmart01[at]aol.como (Sheldon)
Date: 17 Sep 2003 19:18:44 GMT
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Rory writes:
>Normally, Americans catch on quick, but when it comes to French Fries
>they just don't get it.

The origin is not French.

french fries
Potatoes that have been cut into thick to thin strips, soaked in cold water,
blotted dry, then DEEP-FRIED until crisp and golden brown. They are called
pommes frites  in France and chips  in Britain. 

The name does not come from the fact that their origin is French, but because
the potatoes are "frenched" — cut into lengthwise strips. 

Other versions of french-fried potatoes are shoestring potatoes
(matchstick-wide) and steak fries  (very thick strips). 

© Copyright Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995
based on THE FOOD LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition, by Sharon Tyler Herbst. 

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries

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From: Rusty Unger 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:59:19 -0400
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Rory wrote:
>Normally, Americans catch on quick, but when it comes to French Fries
>they just don't get it. Fries go with vinegar, the white kind at a
>minimum and preferably malt, or, alternatively, with mayonnaise.  Why
>is it that Americans, who are normally a progressive and curious
>people, are in this case so obsterperous and backward?

Ever heard of boardwalk fries?  They are usually sold at beach areas,
and in shopping malls etc.  There is even a franchise now called
Boardwalk Fries.  These are usually best IMO with the supplied vinegar
that all these places have.  So yes, some Americans do eat fries with
vinegar.  To, me it depends on the type of fries, Boardwalk Fries
always have vinegar for me, and the fast food type, ie, McDonalds etc.
always go better with ketchup.  It is up to the individual's
like......so before you say that American's are backwards again, you
better study up and make sure you know what you are talking about.  Go
to the boardwalk in NJ or somewhere else and you will see tons of
people eating fries with vinegar.

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From: wardna[at]aol.com (WardNA)
Date: 17 Sep 2003 20:46:05 GMT
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>So yes, some Americans do eat fries with
>vinegar.

. . . and what is ketchup but a vinegar delivery system?

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From: Gary 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:03:36 -0600
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WardNA wrote:
> . . . and what is ketchup but a vinegar delivery system?

I used to eat fries with mayo. Just put a blob on the plate and dip them
like Catsup.

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From: Vilco \(out\) 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:25:04 +0200
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Gary ha scritto:
> I used to eat fries with mayo. Just put a blob on the plate and dip them
> like Catsup.

Hey, go to Amsterdam and see how many friggin' ways to have
fruies they have found: the last I saw, this Feb, was a pinch of
finely grated fresh white onion on top of a mayo topping.
Delicious!
BTW, theyr fries portions are a dozen, from the microscopic 5
fries packet to the huge 1.5 liter bowl. Dutch must love fries!

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From: Jack Schidt® 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:33:56 GMT
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Vilco wrote:
> Hey, go to Amsterdam and see how many friggin' ways to have
> fruies they have found: the last I saw, this Feb, was a pinch of
> finely grated fresh white onion on top of a mayo topping.

There's a fella from Belgium who sells fries in a New Haven barroom with a
couple dozen sauces? toppings? whatever you want to call them, from plain
mayo or plain ketchup to things like wasabi mayo.  Me?  My favorite is brown
gravy ladled on top.

Jack Fried˛

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From: travis 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:45:14 -0400
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Jack Schidt® left Mt Vesuvius in a state of jealous awe as
he began spewing from the mouth thusly:

>There's a fella from Belgium who sells fries in a New Haven barroom with a
>couple dozen sauces? toppings? whatever you want to call them, from plain
>mayo or plain ketchup to things like wasabi mayo.  Me?  My favorite is brown
>gravy ladled on top.

I prefer chili and grated cheddar cheese with mustard, or grated
cheddar cheese with crumbled bacon bits and ranch dressing on mine.

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From: Jack Schidt® 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:28:35 GMT
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travis wrote:
> I prefer chili and grated cheddar cheese with mustard, or grated
> cheddar cheese with crumbled bacon bits and ranch dressing on mine.

Yeah, I hear you like sweet clam chowder too. ;-P

Jack Busta

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From: travis 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:55:47 -0400
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Jack Schidt® wrote:
>Yeah, I hear you like sweet clam chowder too. ;-P

heh heh
Word gets around fast on this newsgroup.  :-)

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From: Nancy Young 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:58:08 -0400
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Jack Schidt® wrote:
> There's a fella from Belgium who sells fries in a New Haven barroom with a
> couple dozen sauces? toppings? whatever you want to call them, from plain
> mayo or plain ketchup to things like wasabi mayo.  Me?  My favorite is brown
> gravy ladled on top.

I wouldn't like gravy, but what a great idea, a french fries bar.
Haven't had fries in a really long time, but I used to like them in
a mix of mayonnaise and ketchup.  Hmmm, too bad, I think the place
where I'm going for lunch today doesn't have regular fries.

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From: Jack Schidt® 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:23:41 GMT
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Nancy Young wrote:
> I wouldn't like gravy, but what a great idea, a french fries bar.
> Haven't had fries in a really long time, but I used to like them in
> a mix of mayonnaise and ketchup.  Hmmm, too bad, I think the place
> where I'm going for lunch today doesn't have regular fries.

His are really good, I mean the fries themselves.  He's doing really well
and when he opened, we joked that everyone was going to gain 10 lbs, thereby
allowing less people in to drink there.  Anyway, good stuff going on there.

Jack Frites

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From: Evander 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:42:31 GMT
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Nancy Young wrote:
> I wouldn't like gravy, but what a great idea, a french fries bar.
> Haven't had fries in a really long time, but I used to like them in
> a mix of mayonnaise and ketchup.  Hmmm, too bad, I think the place
> where I'm going for lunch today doesn't have regular fries.

There used to be a place up at Universal Citywalk called  Frites it served
only fries and had a few dozen dipping sauces.  I loved the place but I
think I was the only one it went out of business after a year.  Oh well.

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From: modom 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:26:36 -0500
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Nancy Young wrote:
>I wouldn't like gravy, but what a great idea, a french fries bar.
>Haven't had fries in a really long time, but I used to like them in
>a mix of mayonnaise and ketchup.  Hmmm, too bad, I think the place
>where I'm going for lunch today doesn't have regular fries.

There was a place here in Cow Hill that fried their taters twice. Once
for doneness, a second time for crunch.  They had good burgers, too.
Unfortunately they were lax enough with their tax records that the gov
shut them down.  Pity.  Excellent fries.

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From: Rusty Unger 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:22:50 -0400
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WardNA wrote:
>. . . and what is ketchup but a vinegar delivery system?

You are exactly right, as I take my foot out of my mouth!  

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From: Cyndi 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:13:31 GMT
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Rory wrote:
: Normally, Americans catch on quick, but when it comes to French Fries
: they just don't get it. Fries go with vinegar, the white kind at a
: minimum and preferably malt, or, alternatively, with mayonnaise.

Rory, Rory, Rory... be careful with those blanket statements!
I've been eating fries with Malt Vinegar for years.  I've tried
the mayonnaise thing - *whatever*.  Now I do like to dip dill
pickles in mayonnaise... but not the fries.

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From: Jack Schidt® 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:36:11 GMT
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Cyndi wrote:
> Rory, Rory, Rory... be careful with those blanket statements!
> I've been eating fries with Malt Vinegar for years.  I've tried
> the mayonnaise thing - *whatever*.  Now I do like to dip dill
> pickles in mayonnaise... but not the fries.

But wouldn't those pickles be mo betta with Miracle Whip??  (sorry, last
time.....couldn't resist....must....use ....powers....)

Jack Gas

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From: Cyndi 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:34:41 GMT
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Jack Schidt® wrote:
: But wouldn't those pickles be mo betta with Miracle Whip?? (sorry, last
: time.....couldn't resist....must....use ....powers....)

Hmmm, I dunno.  I'll have to experiment... I'm thinking the
answer could be YES!

Cyndi Mayowhip

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From: MareCat 
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:20:40 -0500
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Cyndi wrote:
>Rory, Rory, Rory... be careful with those blanket statements!
>I've been eating fries with Malt Vinegar for years.  

Ditto here. That's the way I prefer my fries. If vinegar isn't
available, I dip 'em in BBQ sauce or mustard. Never ketchup.

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From: Jeff Bienstadt 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:49:34 -0700
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MareCat wrote:
> Ditto here. That's the way I prefer my fries. If vinegar isn't
> available, I dip 'em in BBQ sauce or mustard. Never ketchup.

Back in high school, I had a friend who would order a side of chicken gravy 
to dip his fries into.

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From: newsreader[at]SPAMBLOCKmyrealbox.com (j*ni)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:32:40 GMT
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Hark! I heard Jeff Bienstadt say:
> MareCat wrote:
> > Ditto here. That's the way I prefer my fries. If vinegar isn't
> > available, I dip 'em in BBQ sauce or mustard. Never ketchup.
> 
> Back in high school, I had a friend who would order a side of chicken gravy 
> to dip his fries into.

Depending on the restaurant, I get tarter sauce or a mixture of ketchup
and mayo. When in Canada, I go for vinegar...

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From: Nancy Young 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:41:23 -0400
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j*ni wrote:
> Depending on the restaurant, I get tarter sauce or a mixture of ketchup
> and mayo.

YOU TOO!?  (smile)  Comes out like what, Russian dressing?  Also,
not tartar sauce is safe if I'm in possession of fries.

nancy (ran over a branch that landed about a foot in front of my
car, yikes it's windy)

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From: newsreader[at]SPAMBLOCKmyrealbox.com (j*ni)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:52:19 GMT
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Hark! I heard qwerty@mail.monmouth.com say:
> j*ni wrote:
 
> > Depending on the restaurant, I get tarter sauce or a mixture of ketchup
> > and mayo.
> 
> YOU TOO!?  (smile)  Comes out like what, Russian dressing?  Also,
> not tartar sauce is safe if I'm in possession of fries.

Hooray, I'm not alone! :-)
 
> nancy (ran over a branch that landed about a foot in front of my
> car, yikes it's windy)

I don't envy you at all -- is it winding down yet?

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From: Nancy Young 
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:04:30 -0400
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j*ni wrote:
> I don't envy you at all -- is it winding down yet?

I'm lucky it wasn't a bigger branch, I was going about 40 mph.
Funny, this morning it was bright and sunny, you would only be able
to tell what happened by the number of branches and leaves all over
my property and the street.  It's getting pretty windy again, but
all in all, we escaped the wrath of Isabel.  No complaints.

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From: Jack Schidt® 
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:00:59 GMT
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Nancy Young wrote:
> I'm lucky it wasn't a bigger branch, I was going about 40 mph.
> Funny, this morning it was bright and sunny, you would only be able
> to tell what happened by the number of branches and leaves all over
> my property and the street.  It's getting pretty windy again, but
> all in all, we escaped the wrath of Isabel.  No complaints.

It's "Izzy" now ;-P

Glad to hear you didn't meet her face to face.

Jack Clear

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From: blake murphy 
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:46:15 GMT
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j*ni wrote:
>Depending on the restaurant, I get tarter sauce or a mixture of ketchup
>and mayo. When in Canada, I go for vinegar...

wontan hussy.

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From: newsreader[at]SPAMBLOCKmyrealbox.com (j*ni)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:52:18 GMT
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Hark! I heard blake murphy say:
> wontan hussy.

I suppose that's better than being a wonton hussy...

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From: Jeff Bienstadt 
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:48:18 -0700
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j*ni wrote:
> I suppose that's better than being a wonton hussy...

Not necessarily.  Both have their appeal...

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From: yinya[at]webtv.net (Linda)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:52:06 -0500 (CDT)
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I prefer my fries dipped into a mixture of simple yellow mustard and
mayonaise.  Nothing else will do.

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From: travis 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:32:17 -0400
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Linda left Mt Vesuvius in a state of jealous awe as he began spewing from
the mouth thusly:

>I prefer my fries dipped into a mixture of simple yellow mustard and
>mayonaise.  Nothing else will do.

I like my fries like I like my women.  With big tits.  :-P

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From: yinya[at]webtv.net (Linda)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:12:02 -0500 (CDT)
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hummmmmmm........big tits?  this is certainly an interesting news group.
Think food not tits.

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From: Pan Ohco 
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:04:17 -0500
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Linda wrote:
>hummmmmmm........big tits?  this is certainly an interesting news group.
>Think food not tits.

Have I been missing something on my fries?

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From: Craig Welch 
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:58:04 +1000
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Linda wrote:
>I prefer my fries dipped into a mixture of simple yellow mustard and
>mayonaise.  Nothing else will do.

Well it must be hot English mustard, but I agree with you. To the
extent that my wife and I keep a jar of it in each of our cars. That
way, if we have chips at a pub, for example, we can duck out and get
the mustard that they likely as not don't carry.
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From: Gloria Puester 
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:22:49 GMT
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Rory wrote:
> Normally, Americans catch on quick, but when it comes to French Fries
> they just don't get it. Fries go with vinegar, the white kind at a
> minimum and preferably malt, or, alternatively, with mayonnaise.  Why
> is it that Americans, who are normally a progressive and curious
> people, are in this case so obsterperous and backward?

I'll agree with you about vinegar, but mayonnaise???   Yuccch!
Being of the Boomer-pre-fast-food generation, we learned to love
fries with vinegar as fish and chips.  The first fast food place
(A&W Root Beer drive in) in my home town served fries with your
choice of vinegar or ketchup.

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From: rory_ca2[at]yahoo.com (Rory)
Date: 18 Sep 2003 06:30:35 -0700
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What I find interesting is that in the Commonwealth fries are commonly
eaten with vinegar and that in the US it is uncommon.  This suggests
that in the English speaking world, the introduction of french fries
post-dates the war of independence.  Or maybe there's some other
reason for the difference in custom.

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From: tomkanpa[at]aol.comic (TOM KAN PA)
Date: 20 Sep 2003 19:34:09 GMT
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French fries are like the French Army.
They both go down quite easily with a shake.

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From: Ranee Mueller 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:37:26 -0700
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Rory wrote:
> Normally, Americans catch on quick, but when it comes to French Fries
> they just don't get it. Fries go with vinegar, the white kind at a
> minimum and preferably malt, or, alternatively, with mayonnaise.  Why
> is it that Americans, who are normally a progressive and curious
> people, are in this case so obsterperous and backward?

Because, as you suspected Americans are idiots just waiting to be 
told the right way to do things by kind people like you.  On behalf of 
my brethren, I thank you.


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